It seems the Lifers in the church get to decide who is called a church hopper.
If the Lifers want you to leave, in fact shun, discourage, and practically escort you out because they have deemed this is not the church for you, it is NOT church hopping.
If you are a major financial contributor and friends with the right people in the church, you ARE a church hopper when you leave.
The way to tell the difference is what happens when you leave. If they tell you good riddance, you are NOT a church hopper. If they sincerely want you back in the church and take proper steps to help this happen, you ARE a church hopper.
I didn't marry the first person I dated is that considered spouse hopping?
With in the first few weeks of attending a new Church it seems like they are just foaming at the mouth for you to become members. It takes a while for you to get to know a Church. If you attend just Sunday mornings at the most you will get just 52 visits per year.
I believe you need to take sometime to get to know the Church and it's congregation. After the honeymoon is over is when you really find out what marriage is all about. I don't want to be married to a woman that is ungodly, nasty, a gossip, and doesn't help me on my spiritual walk. I would not want a Church that was the same.
Helpful insights here from my anonymous friends. The second stat on my post says that most churches are not growing by reaching unchurched people. Instead, if they grow, they are just getting people who have been "de-churched" from somewhere else. Of course, I believe that we should warlmy welcome everybody who comes --however, it gives me much more joy to welcome a new person who is totally unchurched.
I care about you, Walt, although I don't really know much about you except the things you have shared here. I pray for you, and ask God to help you, and give you strength. I'm glad you found my blog and have had the courage to enter into the conversations.
If this is not a place where tears are understood, Then where shall I go to cry? And if this is not a place where my spirit can take wings, Then where shall I go to fly? I don't need another place for trying to impress you With just how good and virtuous I am. I don't need another place for always being on top of things; Everybody knows that it's a sham. I don't need another place for always wearing smiles, Even when it's not the way I feel. I don't need another place to mouth the same old platitudes; Everybody knows that it's not real. So if this is not a place where my questions can be asked, Then where shall I go to seek? And if this is not a place where my heart cry can be heard, Where, tell me where, shall I go to speak? So if this is not a place where tears are understood, Where shall I go, where shall I go to fly? -- Ken Medema
I made an error when I listed my ordination succession a few weeks ago. I was ordained by Earle Wilson and he was ordained by William Neff. I had thought that Neff was ordained by early Pilgrim leader, Seth Rees, but upon further investigation, he was actually ordained by Winfred Cox. Thus, my ordination line takes a fortunate turn. It was a struggle reconciling Rees anyway. I had taken a leap saying that he was ordained by the Nazarenes -- when, in fact, he was originally "recorded" (not ordained) by the Quakers, and the Nazarenes claim they never ordained him. I find that hard to believe -- especially when, according to historian, Kostlevy, he participated in ordinations for the Metropolitan Church Association, a forerunner of the Pilgrim Holiness Church. Anyhow -- deepest apologies for leading anyone astray and here is the updated ordination succession for Earle Wilson and anyone ordained by him (including former Wesleyan GS, JoAnne Lyon). I was ordained by Earle Wils
Church Hoppers versus Lifers
ReplyDeleteIt seems the Lifers in the church get to decide who is called a church hopper.
If the Lifers want you to leave, in fact shun, discourage, and practically escort you out because they have deemed this is not the church for you, it is NOT church hopping.
If you are a major financial contributor and friends with the right people in the church, you ARE a church hopper when you leave.
The way to tell the difference is what happens when you leave. If they tell you good riddance, you are NOT a church hopper. If they sincerely want you back in the church and take proper steps to help this happen, you ARE a church hopper.
How many pastors have left their Church in the last 5 years?
ReplyDeleteI didn't marry the first person I dated is that considered spouse hopping?
ReplyDeleteWith in the first few weeks of attending a new Church it seems like they are just foaming at the mouth for you to become members. It takes a while for you to get to know a Church. If you attend just Sunday mornings at the most you will get just 52 visits per year.
I believe you need to take sometime to get to know the Church and it's congregation. After the honeymoon is over is when you really find out what marriage is all about. I don't want to be married to a woman that is ungodly, nasty, a gossip, and doesn't help me on my spiritual walk. I would not want a Church that was the same.
I wonder how many people in that last 5 years just quit attending Church.
ReplyDeleteHelpful insights here from my anonymous friends. The second stat on my post says that most churches are not growing by reaching unchurched people. Instead, if they grow, they are just getting people who have been "de-churched" from somewhere else. Of course, I believe that we should warlmy welcome everybody who comes --however, it gives me much more joy to welcome a new person who is totally unchurched.
ReplyDeleteI did not jump. I was pushed by a bunch of ungodly,nasty,gossips.
ReplyDeleteAt the time I did not have the means to travel to a new chruch if I had wanted to.
Instead of hopping I still considered it my church that I chose not to attend at the time.
I was praying for God to either change there hearts or close the church before it hurt many more people.
No one seemed to care except for a few of the good people on this blog.
I care about you, Walt, although I don't really know much about you except the things you have shared here. I pray for you, and ask God to help you, and give you strength. I'm glad you found my blog and have had the courage to enter into the conversations.
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